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RE: Anyone use paint from Ace? - Kansas City Fireslayer - 10-11-2016 (10-11-2016, 10:50 AM)thooks Wrote: I'd like to piggy back on this thread. RE: Anyone use paint from Ace? - Mags® - 10-11-2016 (10-11-2016, 09:40 AM)Robert Adams Wrote: Okay... First, color matching is a product of software, not paint. Depending on what each store uses will depend on accuracy. If they are using 20 year old software, then yeah, their matching ability probably sucks. Personally we use match rite, which does a reasonably good job, but we never claim to match 100%. Second, zero voc pigment is the new norm, get used to it, all manufactures have switched. Benjamin Moore has been using zero voc tint for over 10 years now. Aspire is Valspar cheap line, you pay for what you get, it is in no way comparable to Aura... As for Ace, all stores are individually owned, so it is up to the owner to decide what lines of paint to carry. Most stores carry Valspar as of late as Ace sold their manufacturing capabilities to Valspar/ SW a few years ago. Interestingly enough you state that the colorants are different and Ace has less, but I'm curious on how you actually could derive that information? If they are mixing valspar they are on a digital system, in which all colorants are housed inside a computer controlled dispenser... Do you have xray vision in which to count the canisters? RE: Anyone use paint from Ace? - Woodenfish - 10-11-2016 I'm not trying to troll you Robert, but your perceived knowledge of the paint business, qualities of product and tinting methods could not be any more incorrect. Floetrol is not a recommended product for the use in Benjamin Moore Aura. Ben Moore has their own extender for Aura. Nothing wrong with Ace Hardware lines of Valspar Aspire or Optimus either as they are both well made paints. Just because Valspar was recently purchased by Sherwin Williams does not make these products any different today than they were beforehand. Behr Paint is not a product that quality professional painting contractors who are given a choice would ever choose first. RE: Anyone use paint from Ace? - Robert Adams - 10-15-2016 (10-11-2016, 09:20 PM)Mags® Wrote: Okay... First, color matching is a product of software, not paint. Depending on what each store uses will depend on accuracy. If they are using 20 year old software, then yeah, their matching ability probably sucks. Personally we use match rite, which does a reasonably good job, but we never claim to match 100%. Second, zero voc pigment is the new norm, get used to it, all manufactures have switched. Benjamin Moore has been using zero voc tint for over 10 years now. Aspire is Valspar cheap line, you pay for what you get, it is in no way comparable to Aura... As for Ace, all stores are individually owned, so it is up to the owner to decide what lines of paint to carry. Most stores carry Valspar as of late as Ace sold their manufacturing capabilities to Valspar/ SW a few years ago. Interestingly enough you state that the colorants are different and Ace has less, but I'm curious on how you actually could derive that information? If they are mixing valspar they are on a digital system, in which all colorants are housed inside a computer controlled dispenser... Do you have xray vision in which to count the canisters? The store is only 2 years old and all their color matching and mixing equipment is brand new. As for the colorants I was standing rent next to the machine with the lid open while he was refilling two of the tints. I have also done this at depot as well. Not only are there fewer tints but tmy are vastly different in consistency etc. They are all more like basic inks while a number of the behr ones are very different. Like one of the tints that went into the color I needed was a thinner bright purple tint. The behr system has more in its inventory of tints and as such you would assume better color matching qualities. Also ran into the behr rep at depot which used to work for valspar and the first thing he mentioned was the lack of additives in valspar to improve flowout and the complaints he got from it. He also said that they had numerous complaints of sall bubbles in the paint after application which was a ph issue that they didn't have the additives to eliminate. When I contacted valspar they recommended floetrol which I don't like to do and they didn't hesitate to recommend which means they hear this often. Which I did end up adding about 6 ounces to get it to work fairly well but not as good as even the cheap $7 a gallon stuff I bought at menards once.... I'll stick with the behr paint in the future as it works well. Wen I try to help a local business I usually get bit in the butt for the deed. Sad part is the Ace Paint cost more than behr and isn't as good. Two gallons at ace with one half price cost more than 2 gallons at depot full price... Course I still get my paint discount at depot so it was less than that for me. RE: Anyone use paint from Ace? - Mags® - 10-15-2016 Keep digging. You have no idea what you are talking about. RE: Anyone use paint from Ace? - meackerman - 10-15-2016 You expect The Behr, former valspar, rep at home depot was going to do anything but sing praises of Behr paint and knock valspar? RE: Anyone use paint from Ace? - Just_Dave - 10-17-2016 Very interesting topic. Guess I'll toss in my 2 cents. My dad cut his teeth in the paint business with WP Fuller back in the 40's and 50's. Fuller paints and stains were top of the line back then. Dad worked for a company store, and they also carried Valspar as a secondary line. Dad swore that Valspar was a better paint. Valspar by brand disappeared in the NW in the 60's. The name reappeared at Lowes about 8 years ago? We had just sided dad's house and he insisted we use Valspar. At this point I should point out that I hate to paint, absolutely hate it. The Valspar we bought went on like a dream. I ended up not minding it all. My daughter loves it and has used it exclusively all over her house. Now lets go back a few years prior when I built my shop. I had a some HD gift cards from rebates so I bought Behr paint for the interior painting. That paint was absolutely horrid! Basic white, shaken at the store, I went home and opened it to start putting it on. It was full of contaminants. Basically hunks of pealed paint and little bits of grit. I took it back and they gave me another 5 gallon bucket out of a different lot. After they shook it we opened it in the store and it seemed fine. As I started rolling it on there were smaller pieces of the peeled paint. If I caught it I pulled it out, if not it is still there. I did go to HD to talk to them about it the next day. They didn't have much to say other than I should have brought it back... Lets see I had started painting and I was supposed to stop and take it back? It is a shop, I let it go.. As for the professional painters using it? I'd guess they are a bunch of trunk slammers, I don't think I have ever seen any one buying paint at HD that even remotely looked like they were a professional. All the professionals around here use Rodda or Sherwin Williams. 3 years ago when my house, shop and garage needed to be painted I hired it out. I knew who I wanted to use, so I told him I wanted the best paint there is. He used SW Emerald. Just to keep him in check I got two other bids and told both of the other guys I wanted them to recommend what they would use if it was their house. Both of them said that Rodda had a decent product but they would go with SW Emerald. And as a final comment. If I had brand X paint that I needed an exact match for, I would go back and get more brand X. If I wanted to just get a close match and not use brand X then I would not even remotely expect to get a perfect match. I honestly would expect it to be a shade or two off. RE: Anyone use paint from Ace? - K. L. McReynolds - 10-18-2016 I've used many different brands of paint. By far, the most important part of painting is the preparation. Bad prep means bad job with even the best paint. I sometimes spend more on the primer than on the paint. SW is my first choice---the store manager at the store I use is good. I did get him the day I asked for a gallon of clear paint. Ace is actually the second go to, before HD. Reason? Better service and good paint. Never had a problem with Ace brands. Will use Behr if I cannot get paint from SW/Ace. Will not use designer brands(Ralph Lauren) stuff is pure crap. Just painted the south side of my garage---steel siding. Had a evergreen bush grow against the siding and it caused the factory paint to peel. Used a $56 a gallon primer from SW and donated SW white(Ovation). Rolled this side with small diameter 1/2" nap rollers. Did the west face of the garden shed(same siding, same peeling---looked like it had been used as a BB gun backstop) and plywood door with Bullseye 123 exterior primer and Valspar(colored from a chip). Sprayed it straight from the can with a new Wagner Power Painter(turbine). Had to back roll it though, Wagner is still sub par. That was two years ago. Still doing fine so far. My point? Paint is paint. Prep, tools, and technique are far more important. RE: Anyone use paint from Ace? - Woodenfish - 10-18-2016 (10-17-2016, 03:03 PM)Just_Dave Wrote: Very interesting topic. Guess I'll toss in my 2 cents... Five gallon pails of paint always needs to be strained before using. RE: Anyone use paint from Ace? - meackerman - 10-18-2016 I've run numerous 5 gallon pails through an airless without straining without any problems. Wasn't HD paint though. |