Inset Hinge Suggestion - Printable Version

Inset Hinge Suggestion - Printable Version

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RE: Inset Hinge Suggestion - Cooler - 08-24-2021

(08-23-2021, 01:49 PM)bline22 Wrote: Thanks again Everyone for the responses this helps. @Cooler when you say you build a mounting block. Do you have an example of that? I am wondering how big does one make it to accommodate and does it look silly?

Last, do you guys have a jig you use for these or build by chance when you have to mount a bunch? I don't have that many but the number seems to be growing. In addition since they are inset I am looking for any alignment tips one might have likely using the block idea.

Frameless inset hinges are meant to mount directly to the vertical wall of the cabinet box.

With a face frame you need to mimic that by adding a block of wood where the hinge will mount. On my face frame cabinets the face frame extend 3/4" into the interior of the box. I will glue a piece of 3/4" stock to the interior about 3" down from the top and about 3" up from the bottom.

At that point I can mount the hinges exactly the same way as I would for a Euro cabinet. If I were building the cabinets fresh, I would mount the face frame version to the interior of the face frame before applying the rear panel. But with a fully assembled cabinet (especially with uppers) mounting the hinges from behind the face frame is difficult.

A photo will make this all much clearer. I could not find a Blum installation. This is a Salice and it is essentially the same.

RE: Inset Hinge Suggestion - bline22 - 08-24-2021

Thanks again for the responses and apologies if i caused confusion as I am new to all of this and hoping I am getting the lingo correct to attempt to communicate effectively.

Thanks @Cooper that helps me a lot. I was just crafting up a response of my understanding but I am all clear. The face frames are not yet attached and I do have access to the rear so maybe the style you mention here is best it seems: https://www.amazon.com/BLUMOTION-Soft-Close-Hinges-closing-Mounting/dp/B01BI62LUG/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=blum+inset&qid=1629223491&sr=8-3

Next question however is, I am having to do a number of these now. Is there a good way to build a jig to get these holes drilled exactly where I need them? I started this building up about 3" like you mention with a hole correctly drilled that I will use to guide my 1 3/8" bit was my plan

RE: Inset Hinge Suggestion - Cooler - 08-24-2021

(08-24-2021, 01:05 PM)bline22 Wrote: Thanks again for the responses and apologies if i caused confusion as I am new to all of this and hoping I am getting the lingo correct to attempt to communicate effectively.

Thanks @Cooper that helps me a lot. I was just crafting up a response of my understanding but I am all clear. The face frames are not yet attached and I do have access to the rear so maybe the style you mention here is best it seems: https://www.amazon.com/BLUMOTION-Soft-Close-Hinges-closing-Mounting/dp/B01BI62LUG/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=blum+inset&qid=1629223491&sr=8-3

Next question however is, I am having to do a number of these now. Is there a good way to build a jig to get these holes drilled exactly where I need them? I started this building up about 3" like you mention with a hole correctly drilled that I will use to guide my 1 3/8" bit was my plan

I have the Blum jig; very pricey but nice to work with. Kreg makes a workable version for a lot less.

Blum makes these marvelous wordless videos that shows how all their jigs work. They range from 30 seconds to 2 minutes in length. It will help a lot:

https://www.google.com/search?q=blum+mounting+plate+template&client=firefox-b-1-d&source=lnms&tbm=vid&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjU2Y32qsryAhXOGFkFHcSzDE4Q_AUoA3oECAEQBQ&biw=1600&bih=775

RE: Inset Hinge Suggestion - jteneyck - 08-24-2021

(08-24-2021, 01:05 PM)bline22 Wrote: Thanks again for the responses and apologies if i caused confusion as I am new to all of this and hoping I am getting the lingo correct to attempt to communicate effectively.

Thanks @Cooper that helps me a lot. I was just crafting up a response of my understanding but I am all clear. The face frames are not yet attached and I do have access to the rear so maybe the style you mention here is best it seems: https://www.amazon.com/BLUMOTION-Soft-Close-Hinges-closing-Mounting/dp/B01BI62LUG/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=blum+inset&qid=1629223491&sr=8-3

Next question however is, I am having to do a number of these now. Is there a good way to build a jig to get these holes drilled exactly where I need them? I started this building up about 3" like you mention with a hole correctly drilled that I will use to guide my 1 3/8" bit was my plan

You need 9/16" clearance in order to use those mounting plates. You said your faceframes overlay the cabinet 1/2". If so, you can't use those mounting plates. The standard mounting plates for Euro style cabinets are the better approach anyway. They come in more options, have greater adjustability, and result in a more rigid attachment. Just do as Cooler showed by padding out behind the faceframe so you can use the standard mounting plates.

John

RE: Inset Hinge Suggestion - bline22 - 08-27-2021

I went to the home center before buying a bunch of these to make sure i get the right one for the job. I bought 5 different types of what they call frameless type hinges. You can see they are very different. Most are of the type that are 1/2 or so away from the board simulating the spacer I would require. The other picture is of something they call a concealed Frameless. I want to be sure I am getting the right ones when I order them. Also the one you see that works does not have soft close which i would like the option. I hope this makes sense and the pictures help but wondering what is the name of the hinge I need here as I can't find this name on ahturf for example?

@Cooler the black hinge with the block looks to have the mounting plate lifted a 1/2" or so. Do you have a link for those you could point me as they look like they might be what i need.

Appreciate the help again everyone.

RE: Inset Hinge Suggestion - jteneyck - 08-27-2021

As I said before, once you pad out the inside of the cabinet until it's flush with the inside of the faceframe "You have two basic options for inset doors. Either use a half cranked hinge with a 9 mm mounting plate, or a fully cranked hinge with a 0 mm mounting plate."

Specifically, if you want Blum soft close clip on hinges you could use this half cranked one: Hinge B071T5650 and Mounting Plate B175H719

Here's the page in Woodworker's Hardware catalog that describes it: Blum 120deg ClipTop Hinge

There are other choices, too.

John