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RE: So, Before I Run Out and Invest in an Overstuffed Smoother... - Admiral - 11-08-2016 (11-08-2016, 03:51 PM)wmickley Wrote: I live in Pennsylvania. I have been planing Pennsylvania curly cherry (Prunus serotina) with a double iron plane for 43 years. I use a rounded cap iron which is the best method. Not surprisingly it is the historic method. The "improved chipbreakers", with their flat bevels were designed by people who had no idea how to use a double iron plane. I don't think a micro bevel at any angle will yield the results of a nicely rounded bevel. Couldn't have put it better. +1 Woodworking is not a science, but an art. Attempts to make it otherwise can gain some traction, but there is simply too much variability in wood (and within individual species as well) to make firm conclusions of what is the best approach. RE: So, Before I Run Out and Invest in an Overstuffed Smoother... - EricU - 11-09-2016 doesn't a rounded cap iron have a fairly big angle right at the blade? I think the lesson here is that it doesn't really matter how you hold the wood together in front of the blade as long as you do it somehow RE: So, Before I Run Out and Invest in an Overstuffed Smoother... - SteveVoigt - 11-13-2016 (11-08-2016, 07:33 AM)KlausK. Wrote: As far as I got Kato's results right, he is telling that a 50° bevelled cap iron works good with a shallow set of 0.1 mm from the edge. Since he did these attempts with a 40° bedded iron, the bevel of the chipbreaker of a 45° bedded plane should be 45° to get the same result. A couple thoughts on this. The K/K results, valuable as they are, were not done with a handplane, and don't transfer exactly. It is helpful to experiment with different bevels (on the CB) and different setbacks, and judge the results accordingly. Here are a few things I and many others have observed:
RE: So, Before I Run Out and Invest in an Overstuffed Smoother... - Philip1231 - 11-13-2016 Steve: Beautiful: that's what I was after: 50° and .010 setback. I can work with that. No, its not rocket science, nor is it as I often say ( as a nuclear physicist) nuclear physics!", but baking a cake isn' t hard either, unless you don't know how to bake a cake. Thanks for your input: much appreciated! (also thanks Klaus and Derek and eveyone else that contributed) Excellent. Phil RE: So, Before I Run Out and Invest in an Overstuffed Smoother... - Bill_Houghton - 11-13-2016 Everything, except possibly quantum mechanics, is simple once you know how to do it; getting there is often complicated. I tend to say, "It's not rocket surgery." Quantum mechanics, now... RE: So, Before I Run Out and Invest in an Overstuffed Smoother... - SteveVoigt - 11-14-2016 Phil and Bill, you're right. It's easy once you're on the other the side of the learning curve, but not so much before you get there. RE: So, Before I Run Out and Invest in an Overstuffed Smoother... - EricU - 11-14-2016 (11-13-2016, 06:59 PM)Bill_Houghton Wrote: Everything, except possibly quantum mechanics, is simple once you know how to do it; getting there is often complicated. I think Quantum Mechanics is reasonably simple once you have the mathematical background for it, or at least that's what I tell myself. I'm close on that regard. I have always wanted to understand it, I'll have to get my son to teach it to me once he learns it. He's a Physics/Math major. RE: So, Before I Run Out and Invest in an Overstuffed Smoother... - Bill_Houghton - 11-14-2016 (11-14-2016, 07:35 PM)EricU Wrote: I think Quantum Mechanics is reasonably simple... You're probably right. Or maybe not. RE: So, Before I Run Out and Invest in an Overstuffed Smoother... - EricU - 11-15-2016 I'll let you know. I find that everything is simple after I've learned it the third time. RE: So, Before I Run Out and Invest in an Overstuffed Smoother... - wmickley - 11-16-2016 (11-13-2016, 05:05 PM)Philip1231 Wrote: Steve: Beautiful: that's what I was after: 50° and .010 setback. I can work with that. No, its not rocket science, nor is it as I often say Considering how many doctors, lawyers, engineers, plane makers and even woodworkers have had a hard time figuring out how to use the double iron over the years, I would say it is complicated. Even on this page some feel the need to reduce the practice to some cookbook instructions, negating the art. A cap iron that is too close can give a surface that is as bad as a high angle plane or worse. A driver's education teacher once told me some parents teach their children to line up some hood feature with the center line or shoulder of the road. Helpful for a very short time. |