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Drawer Bottom Plane - Scoony - 03-31-2020
So I am starting to plan a drawer bottom plane. I am wanting to make it in the traditional plow plane style with a steel skate and fixed fence. This will be used to plow the drawer bottom grooves and with be set for 1/4" groove. 1/4" deep, and 1/4" from the bottom edge. For the skate, I am probably going to use O1 steel in either in 3/32" or 1/8" thickness.
The one thing I am not figuring out is the blade. LN makes blades for side escarpment planes, but I am not seeing a blade that would be suitable for what I need. Basically, I need a 1/4" wide tapered iron. The traditional plow plane blades will not work for what I am planning.
Anyone here make a drawer bottom plane? how did you make it, what did you use for an iron? I have seen some simpler builds online, but I have some nice 1/4 sawn beech and would prefer to build it in a more traditional style.
RE: Drawer Bottom Plane - Derek Cohen - 03-31-2020
Purchase a suitable blade off eBay. Plenty plough blades available.
I would not use a steel skate - unnecessary, and add more complications, such as an external fence. You can integrate the fence on a wooden body, and it is much simpler to make.
The easiest way to make a plane like this is to use, or copy, half of a matched T&G plane set.
Regards from Perth
Derek
RE: Drawer Bottom Plane - Philip1231 - 03-31-2020
Would something like this work:
Rob Cosman Drawer Bottom Plane
RE: Drawer Bottom Plane - Scoony - 03-31-2020
Thanks Derek,
I do have a set of wooden match planes for thinner stock, and they cut a groove much thinner than 1/4". I am planning on modeling this plan from them. I think I want to add the steel skate more of a challenge and test if I want to continue making other planes. I have made two sets of hollows and rounds and really need to get back to finishing the other sizes I had planned.
Red Rose productions makes and sells wooden planes and offers one exactly like what I want to build. He has aleady answered some of my questions.
https://redrosereproductions.com/tools/Drawer-Bottom-Plane-p131416063
I have found a few blades on ebay. Many of the plow blades are numbered and I am wondering if they are numbered in 16th as in would a #4 be 4/16"? Did the English use a numbering system different from the USA?
RE: Drawer Bottom Plane - Scoony - 03-31-2020
(03-31-2020, 08:35 PM)Philip1231 Wrote: Would something like this work:
Rob Cosman Drawer Bottom Plane
Actually, it would work. I was watching his video on that plane, but never visited the his store site. It is not a tapered iron, but apparently it works fine in his planes. Thanks
RE: Drawer Bottom Plane - bandit571 - 03-31-2020
Mine was made back in '64.....1864, Cincinnati, OH. G. Roseboom
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That I had to rehab a bit...
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New tote, new fence, new wedges to replace the broken, worn out ones..
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There is a metal skate, though..
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That is original to the plane.
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Seems to work fine..shavings curl out to one side, the wedge is shaped so it curls the shaving up and out to the right of the plane
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The wedge is the tapered part, cutter/iron is flat....has a v groove in the back edge of the iron, as it rests on a matching knife edge on the end of the skate, that serves as a "frog".
Nowadays? I usually just use my Stanley No. 45, with a #12 cutter. the Roseboom's long arms make clamping the drawer sides a bit tricky...and, there is no depth stop. Other than when it bottoms out.
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Original body is Beach....Walnut wedges seem to work better. Fence is Ash. Original screws for the fence to the arms were made before anyone decided to add a point to the screws being made.
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Hope this helps..
RE: Drawer Bottom Plane - Derek Cohen - 04-01-2020
Here is a simple plane by Matthew Kenney at FWW magazine. It works because it does not require any further adjustments ...
![[Image: IMG_8946_web-1200x879.jpg]](https://s3.amazonaws.com/finewoodworking.s3.tauntoncloud.com/app/uploads/2016/09/06094343/IMG_8946_web-1200x879.jpg)
That is what I would build. But I understand you wanting a challenge. This is what you want ...
![[Image: d10f5e85a2047790b17f41eeaabbcb2f.jpg]](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d1/0f/5e/d10f5e85a2047790b17f41eeaabbcb2f.jpg)
Regards from Perth
Derek
RE: Drawer Bottom Plane - wmickley - 04-01-2020
In the 18th century, a plane like you are describing was called a plough. A plane with multiple cutters and a movable fence was called a universal plough. Roubo shows both a simple plough (bouvet) and a "two piece plough"
I made at least three ploughs 1975-1982 and I made one from an old knife, one from a file, and one forged from a screwdriver. Today I would buy an iron from Lie Nielsen. None of mine had an iron skate; they all had a "skate" that was an integral part of the body of the plane, which I would recommend.
I made both open mortise and closed mortise planes. In Hummel's book With Hammer in hand, only one plane out of fifty some illustrated has an open mortise: the plough. Here is an illustration of an open mortise plough from Roubo:
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RE: Drawer Bottom Plane - adamcherubini - 04-01-2020
(03-31-2020, 11:48 AM)Scoony Wrote: So I am starting to plan a drawer bottom plane. I am wanting to make it in the traditional plow plane style with a steel skate and fixed fence. This will be used to plow the drawer bottom grooves and with be set for 1/4" groove. 1/4" deep, and 1/4" from the bottom edge. For the skate, I am probably going to use O1 steel in either in 3/32" or 1/8" thickness.
The one thing I am not figuring out is the blade. LN makes blades for side escarpment planes, but I am not seeing a blade that would be suitable for what I need. Basically, I need a 1/4" wide tapered iron. The traditional plow plane blades will not work for what I am planning.
Anyone here make a drawer bottom plane? how did you make it, what did you use for an iron? I have seen some simpler builds online, but I have some nice 1/4 sawn beech and would prefer to build it in a more traditional style.
What you are describing is not a drawer bottom plane, but a grooving plane. What Bandit showed is not a drawer plane or a plow plane, but a flooring plane. The only tool I know of specialized for drawers is the drawer bottom fillester. It has a moving fence like a universal fillester (fixed to the sole with 2 fillester head screws). Its a 19th c tool as far as I know. I have at least 2 of them and love them. They are short, maybe 6-8 inches tops. I use them in lieu of a plow plane since I only ever seem to use my plows for 1/4" grooves, 1/4-3/4" in from an edge. I think you'd get more use out of it if you made it the traditional way. No arms to fiddle with or get in the way. Otherwise, just make a set of match planes (which I also love), and use the grooving plane for drawers (I did that for many years). But don't call it a drawer bottom plane.
RE: Drawer Bottom Plane - bandit571 - 04-01-2020
From last September's Labor Day Tractor Fest....
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Match set...T & G...$30 a piece ($60 for the set
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IF they have the Fest this year, it was a Lion's Park, West Liberty, OH. Used to be a yearly event.
You walk around a LOT, lots of farm tractors, a working saw mill that uses a wide belt drive from a Farmall's PTO side wheel. and over a mile over vendors. Some of my best rust hunts were down there.... We be splitting hairs here, about what name to call a plough plane....if'n it makes a groove, it is ploughing the wood, simple as can be. All those other names were "selling points" by a maker.
As for me...
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A Stanley #45 works just fine...