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Mystery saw - bandit571 - 07-24-2021
Picked this Friday...
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26" long plate, 8ppi (stamped down by the teeth)...
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Fancy handle, but only 3 "bolts". Back of the plate is straight, not a skew back..
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However, when you turn the saw over.....no bolts, not even a trace of any holes? Price was right, though..
Saw has plenty of set, and is quite sharp. Has no bends, no kinks, and no missing teeth...could be a good "day-to-day" work saw. Handle does not have any missing wood parts, only one small crack. Which does not go all the way through...looking more like just a deep scratch.
Afraid the remove the handle...not sure what those "bolts" are. Not sure which Maker actually made a saw like this....any clues?
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handle fits the hand so well, you don't want to set the saw back down.....
RE: Mystery saw - bandit571 - 07-24-2021
Just an up date: Had a keyhole saw with what appeared to be the same sort of "bolt"...took a chance....removed it's single bolt ( #2 being MIA)....
Turns out, it is a large wood screw. Oval head, steel. They go through the saw plate, and into the wood beyond...
I now have the $1.50 saw all cleaned up.....the 3 screws have been taken out, shined up..put back in and "clocked". Still no etch on either saw.
hammer to straighten the blade on the Keyhole saw.....had 3 curves in it....now has none...May go and see about 2 #12 oval head screws.....IF I can find slotted ones...
Photos later....was a busy bit of shop time....
Sanding center has a new sanding belt, and I cleaned the patten for the 6" disc...and install a new 80 grit disc.
Tested out the Keller Sander.....LOUD. Screwdriver to install sandpaper. May go back to the shop after a bit...new blade for the bandsaw needs installed.
The Keller?
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back in 1957, this complete sanding kit was $16.95.....sander it's self was $14.95....price I paid at the garage sale? $2
Keller No. 700
Film at 2300 hrs...
RE: Mystery saw - bandit571 - 07-24-2021
The "Saw Bolt"?
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Wonder IF I can find one more of these?
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Both saws are all cleaned up, now...
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Just not sure who made them..
RE: Mystery saw - Timberwolf - 07-24-2021
(07-24-2021, 10:18 AM)bandit571 Wrote: Picked this Friday................
26" long plate, 8ppi (stamped down by the teeth)...
Fancy handle, but only 3 "bolts". Back of the plate is straight, not a skew back..
However, when you turn the saw over.....no bolts, not even a trace of any holes? Price was right, though..
Saw has plenty of set, and is quite sharp. Has no bends, no kinks, and no missing teeth...could be a good "day-to-day" work saw. Handle does not have any missing wood parts, only one small crack. Which does not go all the way through...looking more like just a deep scratch.
Afraid the remove the handle...not sure what those "bolts" are. Not sure which Maker actually made a saw like this....any clues?
handle fits the hand so well, you don't want to set the saw back down.....
I think your saw may be a Madden, Wheeler, and Clemson, Middletown N.Y. Bakewell later became a partner and you may find out more about them if you do a search..Reason I suspect it is, I sold a MWC saw here a number of years ago and the handle was shaped like your saw...I may still have a MWC keyhole saw around here somewhere..I will see if I can find it and post a photo of it. In your search , you may find that the makers names can be reversed..Like Wheeler, Madden and Clemson... I don't know why unless it was for reorganization..There were a number of sawmakers in that area of southern N.Y.
RE: Mystery saw - Bill_Houghton - 07-24-2021
I wonder if that notch at the top is a version of a thumbhole saw handle?
RE: Mystery saw - Timberwolf - 07-24-2021
(07-24-2021, 09:42 PM)Bill_Houghton Wrote: I wonder if that notch at the top is a version of a thumbhole saw handle?..................
I think it was just for appearance, to be different, but IMO that notch weakens it.. J.H. Noble and J.D. Darling made saws with a little "nose" going down the back spine..They may have been made in the same factory....I have a Noble that one day I am going to list on S&S..if I ever get around to parting with a bunch of saws..The large ones are hard to package.
RE: Mystery saw - Joe Bailey - 07-25-2021
(07-24-2021, 10:23 PM)Timberwolf Wrote: ..................
I think it was just for appearance, to be different, but IMO that notch weakens it..
Not the case.
The Holden patent clearly states that the purpose was to facilitate 2-handed sawing.
https://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?PageNum=0&idkey=NONE&SectionNum=3&HomeUrl=&docid=0216091
I can tell you that I have never experienced any particular weakness in this design and have had several users over the decades.
Here's one I grabbed at random
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Note that the earliest models had the patent date stamped near the thumbhole
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RE: Mystery saw - andrewb - 07-27-2021
(07-24-2021, 10:18 AM)bandit571 Wrote: Picked this Friday...
26" long plate, 8ppi (stamped down by the teeth)...
Fancy handle, but only 3 "bolts". Back of the plate is straight, not a skew back..
However, when you turn the saw over.....no bolts, not even a trace of any holes? Price was right, though..
Saw has plenty of set, and is quite sharp. Has no bends, no kinks, and no missing teeth...could be a good "day-to-day" work saw. Handle does not have any missing wood parts, only one small crack. Which does not go all the way through...looking more like just a deep scratch.
Afraid the remove the handle...not sure what those "bolts" are. Not sure which Maker actually made a saw like this....any clues?
handle fits the hand so well, you don't want to set the saw back down.....
I've had a couple with screws like that but never had one with any identifiable stamp/etch so can't help much on maker. I took the screws of that sort to be an indication of economy model although the ones I had did not have quite as nice of a handle. Seems like one had a reinforcing steel plate on the one side. In any event, if it's sharp and straight...
RE: Mystery saw - Kansas City Fireslayer - 07-27-2021
I have in the stash as well. It’s not a common saw to find in the wild nowadays.