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RE: Grooves - adamcherubini - 11-18-2021
(11-18-2021, 01:59 PM)nuk Wrote: Most of the wooden 'plow' planes I've seen pics of were somewhat elaborate... like earlier versions of the metal body planes, with threaded rods and wooden nuts/wheels... but maybe 100-500 yr earlier, not what I'd typically think of as 'Roman' era.
I'll have to do some digging on YT for that. Probably not something I would want to do on anything resembling a regular basis, but I wouldn't mind trying it once for experience.
I think the threaded woodie plows are newer. 18th c plows probably had wedged arms as the more common style. I have 2 like that. In some ways easier to use. That style probably dates back 1000 yrs at least.
This may get me in trouble: I don’t love plow planes like many of my ilk do. When I started woodworking, people collected plows and plated braces. In general, I find any tool with “universal” in its name is a bad tool.
I use a tool I call a drawer bottom fillister or grooving plane for all my plowing needs.
Looks like this:
https://www.jimbodetools.com/products/marples-adjustable-drawer-bottom-plow-plane-circa-1856-1983-fine-86641
I think Warren told me it’s called a fillester only because it’s adjustable fence looks like that of a moving fillester plane.
It’s a handy devil by any name exactly as Warren says. When you are cutting grooves 99% of the time you want a 1/4” or 5/16” groove within 3/4 of the edge of the board.
Mike Dunbar wrote a fun story in his awesome book “Restoring Tuning and Using classic hand tools” which I found accurate:
When shopping for a set of plow plane irons, you almost never find a set with the 1/4” iron. When shopping for old plows, they almost always come with the 1/4” iron still fitted.
(It was funnier the way he told it.)
RE: Grooves - wmickley - 11-18-2021
A fillister is a rabbet plane with a fence. A common fillister has a fixed fence; a moving fillister has an adjustable fence.
RE: Grooves - bandit571 - 11-24-2021
Craftsman(Sargent) #79s...
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And, what they are very good at...
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Can also be used like a shoulder plane...at least that is what I used the plain one for....
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Next time in the shop...I get to plough some 1/4" grooves...
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Have it all set up, and ready to go..
RE: Grooves - Derek Cohen - 11-27-2021
Quote:This may get me in trouble: I don’t love plow planes like many of my ilk do. When I started woodworking, people collected plows and plated braces. In general, I find any tool with “universal” in its name is a bad tool.
I use a tool I call a drawer bottom fillister or grooving plane for all my plowing needs.
Adam, I prefer to use a plough plane because it has an adjustable fence. The position of the groove is not universal in the drawers I build - it depends on the height of the sides and the design. Some drawers have grooves, some (more) have slips. The slips may have as narrow as 1/8” grooves.
I have built a bridle plough plane, with the traditional 8 blades from 1/4” up …
![[Image: 116.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/bJ7XjFHb/116.jpg)
However, I much prefer using a Veritas Small Plow or, with very small work, a Record #043. These are quick to set up, and nimble to use.
Regards from Perth
Derek
RE: Grooves - bandit571 - 11-27-2021
That Stanley No. 45 SW was put to work, this morning..
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From Roxton Pond, QUE. CAN.
Set up with a #12 cutter...
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Be sure to use a candle to make things go a bit easier IN the groove..
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Dry fitting, waiting on the 4th side to be done...
Happen to like these sort of planes, that I also have a second, older one (Type 4-5?) that I keep set up for cross grain work.
They are NOT that hard to learn to use...if I can do...just about anyone can. Stanley called this a 7 planes in one...