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For me the story and history of the piece is the most important
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You're very right. Even if I don't learn anything about the hutch, myself and my children will continue to enjoy it in our homes for a couple more generations at least. I'm hoping that a little more information might help me piece together a little family history as well.
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If I had to guess based on a picture only, I'd guess it was made in the 1880 - 1920 time frame. Take a look at the nails, screws, what the back is made out of and the wheels (which appear to have been removed) as they may help date it better. Another dating item is the carved details and whether it's actually carved or applied to the cabinet.
I'm thinking it's closer to 1920 just because of the flat glass on the door and what carving I see appear to be machine made.
The wood appears to be white oak, things like the key cover and lock appear to be from that period. Don't know about the hinges or the writing surface hardware as I can't see them well enough. Joints appear to be tongue and groove.
It looks like a good piece, it may not be 'valuable' as some pieces are but it's still a desirable piece none the less. Make some new shelves with proper profile on the front, fill it with display items and enjoy it.
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04-19-2021, 06:10 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-19-2021, 06:23 PM by mr_skittle.)
It seems to me a piece of furniture for folks of modest means that serves the purpose of 3 or 4 different pieces. In a wealthy house there would be a separate piece for a display cabinet. God knows a secretary is a stand-alone piece. Then there is the mirror which might serve instead of a dressing table, for the lady of the house. There is also the cabinet underneath which could either be part of the secretary or a tiny sideboard for the dining room.
The carving is all relief. How would I tell if it is machine done? And beyond that, how was carving being done by machine early in the 20th century? Another interesting detail is that the outside rails of the display case door and the storage door go all the way to the ground. There is something stamped on the back but I can't make it out entirely.
I'm not 100% sure of the secondary woods. I think it could be butternut. It's pretty soft and I know it's not pine. The shelves match the back panels so I'm guessing they are original. Based on the patina of the back, I'm guessing it's original. The nails all seem modern, round with a thin, flat head. The screws are plain, flathead wood screws. The locks seem to be original. The hinges are writing desk hardware are pretty standard. Like anything you'd get off the shelf today.
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Our family has one very similar or possibly almost identical, but I don't have a pic because my sister has it.
I was told it was "manufactured" furniture from the 1930's that was mass produced.
Ours is oak, as most of that type of furniture was at the time.
It was not high end at the time, because my mom's family, where it came from, was poor.
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I've never understood the hate on butt joints. My kitchen drawers are all butt joints and have been in daily use since 1946. Its not high end, but it obviously works.
Your piece has been in service even longer. That indicates it was an appropriate joint for the task.
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It's called a secretary. Very popular in the 20-30's. Most were white oak and factory built. That one looks like it was taken care of.
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Don't take my comments as "hating on butt joints". As I'm sure anyone here knows, joinery work can tell you an amazing amount about a piece of furniture. In this instance, they gave me the clue that the piece was probably wasn't made to order in a custom shop. They are clearly a respectable joint as this piece of furniture is still holding together well.
All the information folks have provided matches my understanding of the history of the piece. The timeframe of the 20's-30's, relatively inexpensive and manufactured, and it is white oak. This doesn't give me much insight into my Great-Grandparents that I didn't already know but that's fine. It's really about my curiosity. While I do have some heirloom jewelry and tools that predate the piece, this will be the oldest piece of furniture in our house and I'm thrilled to give this modest piece another 100 years of life. I am going to make some WO shelves for it though, to match the rest of the case.
I am still really curious about how factories were doing this sort of carving 100 years ago. Was the predecessor of the router or CNC in service then?
Does anyone have input about the secondary wood possibly being butternut or where it might have been manufactured. My old man LOVES to find original sales ad's and stuff like that and if we can get a clue, he'd be all over it.
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It could an individual maker, without a signature stamp you'll never know. The carving is definitely by hand. If manufactured, maybe outsourced. But the carving points me to and individual maker, not a manufactured piece.
It its put together with dowels, that points to mass-manufacturing.
