Shaker Stool Question

[AgGEM]

I might wanna build one of these:

<img src="http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo177/stevansweeney/shaker-furniture-chair_zpsvbmu4loe.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo shaker-furniture-chair_zpsvbmu4loe.jpg"/>

Anyone know how the legs and the turning are all joined together?
Ag

[jteneyck]

No, but I'd guess that the legs are joined with a half lap joint and the turning is connected to that by an integral round tenon that is wedged from the bottom. 

John

[Guest]

I don't know exactly but I could make an educated guess that the feet are two pieces and they cross in a half-lap joint. The feet are then secured to the bottom of the column with screws or a mortise and tenon.

[Admiral]

Could be all sorts of ways to skin that cat.  However, if its a true Shaker piece, there are many books out there with measured drawings of Shaker originals.  When I visited Hancock Shaker Village several years ago, they hada 3 volume set of measured drawing books for sale by a guy, Ejner Handberg, I wish I bought them at the time.  I think you can find them online.

[Steve N]

I might wanna build one of these:

Yeahhhhh!!!! who doesn't


Found some info from it's auction sale.

Auction "Shaker Maple and Ash Swivel Stool, Mt. Lebanon, New York, late 19th century, base with old red wash, (restored), lowest overall ht. 26, lowest seat ht. 17 in. top and base married, underside of base with iron brace, seat surface marred."

I would think a lap joint in the middle, and the "iron brace" likely over the lap to hold everything to the seat.

More on the sale part As far as Shaker it's an odd duck, estimate was 400 to 600 went for over 2K, odd ducks and Shaker = lot's of bidding


I wonder if you enquirered at Skinner if they didn't take some pics? Since the sale is over, they might not mind sharing them. Unless the buyer has plans to produce, might have made an agreement they were top secret. I've never seen anything like that in John Kassay's books, or writings, and he saw it all I think.

If somehow you see pics, or other on it, send me a PM, or update the post.

TIA

GW


Well looking back at your pic, it's in much better shape than the one I found, so guess they produced a few, says Mt Lebanon, might ask those folks if they know anything about it, they would be more helpful than the auction house. At least the folks at Pleasant hill in Ky are as helpful as can be. My Lebanon Shaker village website

Gonna have 60 edits on this thing. The more I look at it the seat might be pretty height adjustable, looks like a screw coming out of a ferrule, I can't see threads, but they did use them frequently made of wood for Sisters height adjustable tables for lights, and sewing, plus candle stands. I'm now thinking the screw terminated into metal plate, possibly also threaded, and the legs were just lapped and screwed, I've seen that arrangement on Eastern chairs many a time. Big lap joint, and 4 screws, in a square almost as big as the lap joints edges. No auction says underside of the brace, which I would take as the lap joint. If it were on the seat bottom, certainly they would have underside of seat, wouldn't they?

Ok this pic shows a lot more detail, it's on Pinterest again. Called a Shaker Rotary chair. Google of that brought me a lot of rotary harrow leads. The detail of this pic is much better, and you can see the ferrule is metal, but no love about the metal plate. Not sure at all if it is a simple lap joint either, those knuckles are major weird, and totally unShakerlike........

[AgGEM]

Yeahhhhh!!!! who doesn't


Found some info from it's auction sale.

Auction "Shaker Maple and Ash Swivel Stool, Mt. Lebanon, New York, late 19th century, base with old red wash, (restored), lowest overall ht. 26, lowest seat ht. 17 in. top and base married, underside of base with iron brace, seat surface marred."

I would think a lap joint in the middle, and the "iron brace" likely over the lap to hold everything to the seat.

More on the sale part As far as Shaker it's an odd duck, estimate was 400 to 600 went for over 2K, odd ducks and Shaker = lot's of bidding


I wonder if you enquirered at Skinner if they didn't take some pics? Since the sale is over, they might not mind sharing them. Unless the buyer has plans to produce, might have made an agreement they were top secret. I've never seen anything like that in John Kassay's books, or writings, and he saw it all I think.

If somehow you see pics, or other on it, send me a PM, or update the post.

TIA

GW


Well looking back at your pic, it's in much better shape than the one I found, so guess they produced a few, says Mt Lebanon, might ask those folks if they know anything about it, they would be more helpful than the auction house. At least the folks at Pleasant hill in Ky are as helpful as can be. My Lebanon Shaker village website

Gonna have 60 edits on this thing. The more I look at it the seat might be pretty height adjustable, looks like a screw coming out of a ferrule, I can't see threads, but they did use them frequently made of wood for Sisters height adjustable tables for lights, and sewing, plus candle stands. I'm now thinking the screw terminated into metal plate, possibly also threaded, and the legs were just lapped and screwed, I've seen that arrangement on Eastern chairs many a time. Big lap joint, and 4 screws, in a square almost as big as the lap joints edges. No auction says underside of the brace, which I would take as the lap joint. If it were on the seat bottom, certainly they would have underside of seat, wouldn't they?

Ok this pic shows a lot more detail, it's on Pinterest again. Called a Shaker Rotary chair. Google of that brought me a lot of rotary harrow leads. The detail of this pic is much better, and you can see the ferrule is metal, but no love about the metal plate. Not sure at all if it is a simple lap joint either, those knuckles are major weird, and totally unShakerlike........

Thanks folks.

GW,
I take it from your reply that this piece was recently auctioned. Quite a while ago I found a similar stool on a You Tube and have been searching for a better picture, and I found the one I posted today. I am quite unaware of it's history or significance. I just like it.

I might wanna put a sack back on it. Horror.....

Here is one with a sewing table. I sorta thought they went together.
From the You Tube:

<img src="http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo177/stevansweeney/snapshot_zpsli0zpqk3.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo snapshot_zpsli0zpqk3.jpg"/>

[rayknight]

I have always understood that Shaker stools and tables with this construction (turned central pedestal and joined legs (3-4)) were joined with sliding dovetails with a metal star shaped piece screwed across the bottom.  That's how I have made Shaker tables.

[AgGEM]

I have always understood that Shaker stools and tables with this construction (turned central pedestal and joined legs (3-4)) were joined with sliding dovetails with a metal star shaped piece screwed across the bottom.  That's how I have made Shaker tables.

Thanks Ray.
This is why I raised the question. It strikes me that the aspect ratio of a sliding dovetail in this application might be too weak. Even if it was quite deep and wide into the turning.

Half laps and a turned tenon strike me as the best method. Even that might be challenging from a strength point of view. I just wondered how the masters did it, and hope someone here knows.
Ag

[Steve N]

Funny that you have a pic of that. When I first saw "the chair", and cottoned to that it was adjustable that is the very sewing desk I imagined in my mind

[AgGEM]

GW,


Ag