low tech work-holding methods
#21
Thank you all for the replies. I'm developing some good ideas for work holding. Now I just need to decide what sort of apparatus to build as a work surface and a mount for some the work holding ideas. While I do appreciate the simplicity of the idea of something like a planing beam, loading up and hauling around big planks isn't too practical for me.  I should have been a little more specific to start with. What I'm thinking about for a work surface is something like 2-3 ft long by 12-16 inches wide. I've got to fit a few of them in the back of my Subaru wagon. I could make them out of laminated hardwood or some face glued plywood and just clamp them to a tabletop. Something I came across that was at least the right size (but not necessarily the right format) was the Milkman's workbench. For teaching and demonstration purposes the work pieces won't be more than 1x4 material and maybe a small panel glue up to flatten.  

A big thanks to Rob for the video link. That Nicholson bench has all the different ideas that I remember coming across over the year but not paying much attention to.  One fixture for edge planing is the bird mouth, that I was thinking about but couldn't remember.

Sorry to make your head spin Jim. This is also a collision of my two worlds. I'll be a licensed HS Science teacher within the year (knock on wood) but woodworking is what I'd really rather be doing. I have a separate thread about developing the class. Please feel free to check it out and give your 2 cents.  https://forums.woodnet.net/showthread.php?tid=7272342
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#22
There is a spiffy design for a folding portable work bench in The Practical Woodworker. Roy Underhill featured it in a past episode. Would fit in a car with seat folded down.
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#23
Photobucket and I aren't getting along right now.  If you are going to make a bird's mouth, make one side straight and angle the other side at about 15 degrees.  Make a matching 15 degree wedge to slip in alongside your workpiece.  It will be much more stable.  If you make a bunch of wedges of different widths, all with the same angle, any 2 will lock together to jam a workpiece between stops or dogs. Construction grade spruce or pine 1x stock makes perfectly good wedges and shouldn't mar the edge of a hardwood workpiece.
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#24
Hah! This guy is almost worse off than me. At least, I can lie down in my driveway. 

http://toolerable.blogspot.com/2016/10/b...rt-iv.html

Just so you know, it doesn't need to be 6'+ long x 2' wide x 33" tall x 500#....
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#25
Does anyone know how a person can watch old Woodwright's shop videos? I can find the previews for the folding workbench that Rob refers to but no full episodes. I really like the look of the bench and I think I could make some simple modifications to make it work for a student on either side. If I can get 2 people to a bench it would make my life easier.

Bruce,
I do realize that a beam doesn't have to be that big but between the planks and sawhorses it just isn't what I've got in mind. I'm looking for something to clamp to a tabletop or maybe this folding workbench that Rob mentioned.
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(10-06-2016, 11:17 AM)mr_skittle Wrote: Does anyone know how a person can watch old Woodwright's shop videos? I can find the previews for the folding workbench that Rob refers to but no full episodes. I really like the look of the bench and I think I could make some simple modifications to make it work for a student on either side. If I can get 2 people to a bench it would make my life easier.

Bruce,
I do realize that a beam doesn't have to be that big but between the planks and sawhorses it just isn't what I've got in mind. I'm looking for something to clamp to a tabletop or maybe this folding workbench that Rob mentioned.

I may be leading you astray as the episode might be too old to be on their free web site.  I don't think they go back to season 15 (S15 Ep08 for the folding workbench part 1).

You can get a downloadable version of pt1 ($5) and pt2 ($5) from PopWood:
http://www.shopwoodworking.com/woodwrigh...1-download
http://www.shopwoodworking.com/woodwrigh...2-download



But if you do a search by topic on "benches" for the show website, you can find a few things:

http://www.pbs.org/woodwrightsshop/watch...s/benches/

The heavy duty timber benches might be useful if you revisit the planing beam concept.


You can pick up a paperback copies of The Complete Woodworker and The Practical Woodworker for just a few bucks each.  Abridged versions from the originals and some of the photos are muddy.  Popular Woodworking recently re-released the full 4-volume version of The Practical Woodworker in both paperback and hardback.  However it seems to be out-of-stock at the moment.  But Amazon/Abe Books have the cheap reproduction copies of the abridged version from Ten Speed Press.


And finally, here's a link back into PopWood for thoughts about the "Milkman's Workbench" which is a table-top model : http://www.popularwoodworking.com/?s=milkman&submit=

I've seen other designs in old publications but I don't have enough coffee absorbed into my bloodstream to tell you titles right now...
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#27
The folding bench can be a lot easier to build and more compact. Just lengthen one hinge side by the width of the legs. So, if the hinge is at 2", make the opposing pair hinge at slightly more than 4-inches. Instead of having the braces swinging at the center, move them toward the opposing leg to tuck into the space next to the top boards. The 1x trims are a useless. Note, the bench is not going to be solid, and will wander. You give up solid, sturdy weight when keeping everything together--and light enough to carry.

You can get a downloadable version of pt1 ($5) and pt2 ($5) from PopWood:
http://www.shopwoodworking.com/woodwrigh...1-download
http://www.shopwoodworking.com/woodwrigh...2-download

Based on your latest comments, maybe, a Moxon-type table topper can work. Don't put it on the dining table, however.
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#28
These workbenches on the Close Grain blog are based on Roy's:

Apartment Workbench: http://www.closegrain.com/2013/12/apartm...bench.html

Portable Workbench: http://www.closegrain.com/2010/08/portab...bench.html
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#29
The birds mouth batten is simple.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNrof3cd1cA
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