I need some good advise please

[Arlin Eastman]

We need two tools very much

One is a dust collector and want to know if this one will work.

http://www.maxtool.com/shop-fox-w1687-3-...Ag5R8P8HAQ

OR this one

https://www.amazon.com/Oasis-Machinery-D...+Collector

This one however has a 5hp instead of a 3hp but the impeller is 1.5" smaller and I am thinking it is not the HP but the size of the impeller.

I am thinking for the price this would be a great machine for us.  Any and all advice is most welcome on this.

[MichaelMouse]

This one however has a 5hp instead of a 3hp but the impeller is 1.5" smaller and I am thinking it is not the HP but the size of the impeller.

I am thinking for the price this would be a great machine for us.  Any and all advice is most welcome on this.

In reality, it's neither on its own.  It's how many CFM at what pressure, which is like pulling teeth to find in an advertisement.  The smaller is certainly more than adequate for turning operations, but if you're doing planing, or other operations making a large volume of material, it won't do more than one or two machines at a time.  Lucky guy that I am, I have an ancient Delta which does not suck material through the impeller.  Makes a simple 550 CFM @ 6" of water adequate for a 13" planer even on softwood. Impeller sits atop the "cyclone."

For dust, either, or others will do.  Be smart in your installation, don't ask it to work three outlets and pick stuff up and carry it long distances overhead, especially with many elbows.  Finer bags will keep the small stuff inside almost immediately, though dust cake will trap the same after a time.  It will also increase backpressure, so something like the JET canister with its HUGE surface area would be my choice for instant block.

Best for a full shop would be a cyclone.

[Arlin Eastman]

MM

This is what I have now is one from PSI that is 3/4hp and 500 cfm with the canister on top.

I do not know if you remember or not by the VA bought me these tools from Grizzly

http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-3HP-2...rizzly.com


http://www.grizzly.com/products/17-Ultim...rizzly.com


http://www.grizzly.com/products/20-Plane...rizzly.com


http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-X-46-J...rizzly.com


http://www.grizzly.com/products/24-Drum-...rizzly.com


and the DC that I have will only do the table saw and that is it.  I do not want any single dedicated lines just one line (Remember I only have a 14x16 garage) to go to any of them.

[hairy]

Here's my rig. It does a good job. I only have 1 hose, I move it to where I need it. The Dust Deputy makes it easy to empty the barrel and keeps the filter clean. 

[David Delo]

Arlin,

If you haven't read anything from Bill Pentz on the subject of dust collection and in particular fine dust particle collection, I'd suggest you check his site out.

http://billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone...m#Overview

[Arlin Eastman]

Hairy

I have almost the same setup but not that DC and I am thinking that will cost over $1200 or twice what I have or afford.


David

I seen that before but can not make heads or tails of it anymore.

[robo hippy]

Well, I wouldn't like either of those. Not sure of the budget, but things to consider, a centralized station is probably best. how much power you need is determined by how many machines you want to run, and how long the runs are. The cloth bags are kind of out dated now days, in part because you can get far more surface area to vent through if you use the paper pleated filters instead of the cloth, and they take up less room. Old cloth bags used to only go down to 5 micron lever for filtering, but I think they are better than that now. The paper filters go down to 1 or 0.5 microns, so much better. You do want a cyclone of some sort, so that anything that gets sucked up gets separated BEFORE it goes through the impeller/blades, and the only thing going through the blades is dust. On any of the 'cheap' brands, I would not trust their cfm data at all. I have an Oneida system, and their stuff is made in the USA. There is also Clear View, who are newer and have had excellent reviews. They also rate by 'static' pressure, which is kind of a how much 'pull' does the system have, and a better indicator of actual air flow. They will also both have design assistance for setting up your duct work. I think some of the Cheaper system sellers like Penn State do this as well but not positive. 

robo hippy

[MichaelMouse]

How many machines will you be running simultaneously?  Only one is likely to challenge any of the machines listed, and that is the planer.  In a small shop, I wheel my planer to the collection hose, keep the hose level to slightly down slope, and have no problem with much less of a machine.  Since small shops pretty much devote center placement to the TS, which, even with a closed cabinet like mine, does dust just fine, it's not a major player, nor is my disk/belt sander or spindle.  Some people do power collection at the jointer, I don't bother. A chute and box is fine, as little to no dust is produced there, and the rabbit appreciates pine shavings.  As she does from the planer, where I lift the top, place on a "clean" GI can cyclone, and collect her bedding.

ANY will do for what you have, NONE will handle a lathe where continuous wads of shavings jam up every place there's any slowdown in velocity.

[Arlin Eastman]

I/we will only be using one machine at a time I am thinking 98% of the time or with the drum sander and bandsaw which will be two of them.

[MichaelMouse]

Then runs to individual machines will be opened or closed as required, though some occasions might want two or three machines serviced - tablesaw - jointer - sander- simultaneously for convenience.  Plenty of airflow with the less expensive machine to do the job.  

Start figuring out the placement of the lines and gates.