Unusual George Bishop 8" Backsaw
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Yesterday when I was looking for a pic of a few Disston dovetail saws, I came across these pics of a George Bishop saw. Now, if you're one of those guys that likes interesting/peculiar saws, this is one.

In many ways it is similar to a Disston 70, it has a brass plated back that is thinner than a normal Disstton #4, and the nuts are similar plated with brass like the Disston 70 as well. It is like a Bishop copy of the Disston 70.
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Really peculiar is the handle, it is TINY. Not only is it thin, but it's designed for a tiny hand, but the size is fitting to the saw. So thin and fragile that it broke and has a screw in it...I haven't bothered to fix it, but would like to keep the original handle as it is so peculiar.Also of note is the nuts were cut down because the handle is so thin, so it's peculiar that Bishop would have such a strange saw, AFAIK, Bishop and Disston never partnered (I'm no historian though). But it's peculiar as I have never seen another Bishop saw with brass plated thin back or brass plated screws like Disston used. Maybe the brass plated screws could have been used in some other industry and readily available at the time? I don't know and just speculating. I like to speculate on old saws, that's about as good as anyone else does... Big Grin

I haven't followed saws in a while, so maybe others have turned up in recent years...

Cheers,
Alan

PS - don't tell anyone I had to fix the folded back on the plate which had been smashed down to make it look canted. Huge advantage to using a folded back...I hear you can't do that easily on a slotted back...Sarcasm


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  Re: Unusual George Bishop 8" Backsaw by TraditionalToolworks (Yesterday when I was...)
Two comments: is it conceivable that many decades ago, the craftsman that owned the saw, made a handle to fit his/her hands, and may have used screws with thinner heads to preserve some thickness to the wood?

Second, did you get those holdfasts from Jake the Russian (Phil's chum up in Alaska)? If you note the brass like color on the ends/leaves, I sent Jake/phil some powdered brass to "sprinkle" on the hot metal when forming. I have an identical set and they top all others I have tried.
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  Re: Unusual George Bishop 8" Backsaw by TraditionalToolworks (Yesterday when I was...)
Yes, off-hand I call that a Franken-tool. My favorite block plane is that brand.

The handle is crying for a better fitting career job.
Bruce
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  Re: RE: Unusual George Bishop 8" Backsaw by hbmcc (Yes, off-hand I call...)
(08-12-2018, 08:03 AM)Tony Z Wrote: Two comments:  is it conceivable that many decades ago, the craftsman that owned the saw, made a handle to fit his/her hands, and may have used screws with thinner heads to preserve some thickness to the wood?

Yes, it is conceivable, I have pondered that...but the strange thing about this handle is that it looks like it's professionally made. Look around the center flat on the handle sides, it's cleanly running around the wood, and after pondering, I believe it is the original handle. The plate is clearly etched with Bishop. Nothing in any book or dirty paper I've ever seen that suggests that Bishop had such a saw. It is finer teeth similar to a Disston 68/70 also.

(08-12-2018, 08:03 AM)Tony Z Wrote: Second, did you get those holdfasts from Jake the Russian (Phil's chum up in Alaska)?  If you note the brass like color on the ends/leaves, I sent Jake/phil some powdered brass to "sprinkle" on the hot metal when forming.  I have an identical set and they top all others I have tried.

Hah, good eye Tony! Actually, Phil made those for me himself. They have a bass clef on them, rather than the leaf, which Phil did for my custom. I have used a bass clef as my touchmark on my blacksmith work, and since I have the stamp I have used it on the front of my saw spine. I want to try to etch, but haven't tried yet. I have an older Electromark that I am hoping to get working. Like most all of my tools I bought it used with various accessories. I don't have any type of template to use though...oh details, details, details...LOL

Everyone should have a set of holdfasts, I use them all the time. I didn't drill a lot of holes, but spaced them nicely and can add more easily if needed.

(08-12-2018, 12:33 PM)hbmcc Wrote: Yes, off-hand I call that a Franken-tool.

I don't call it that, but I will off the nod to say, "it could be". I have owned a lot of saws and have studied this one pretty closely under the microscope of my untrained eye (@$$#@ttery don't get much better than that, does it? Dodgy). What I will say is that it's "peculiar". I have a number of peculiar saws, this is one of them. I have pondered if someone could have made it themselves, but then why is the plate thinner than any other Bishop I've seen? Why is the TPI similar to a Disston 68/70? It is more likely that Bishop would have partnered with Disston than say a company like Harvey Peace, but don't know enough about the history. I say this since the styles of the handles and saws are more similar. It is highly unlikely that anyone would destroy an existing saw to make this, saws were too valuable in those days. And unlikely someone would have access to those similar screws that Disston had, unless they could order them from Disston, that is certainly a possibility. It is a peculiar saw, and for better or worse it will stay exactly as-is. I used to think I would make a new handle for it with exotic wood, but I think it has character the way it is. Yes

I did post to get other's thoughts and appreciate you offering yours. I'm sharing mine the same.

(08-12-2018, 12:33 PM)hbmcc Wrote: The handle is crying for a better fitting career job.

I used to hear it crying, but it STFU over the years...LOL

Cheers,
Alan
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