A Slice of Humble Pie Today
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I built four doors for a lady's kitchen "pantry" cabinet.  I went there and measured, came home, drew it up on SketchUp and then made the doors.  White oak with Osmo Polyox finish.  The kerfs in the floating panels were done on my CNC.  

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I did the install this afternoon.  I had made a story pole for all the vertical elements, so I used it to mark and drill for the faceframe hinges.  The doors clipped on perfectly.  I got the two doors on one side installed, then began on the other side.  I got the top door mounted and swung it closed to admire my work - to find a 3" gap between them!  What the ......  OK, no fix for this except to make new ones.  Not a good day.  

After I got home, I looked at my SketchUp drawing and see that I somehow used the actual inside dimension between the face frames as the outside dimension for my drawing.  That'll do it.  Next time, I will make a horizontal story pole, as I normally do.  

Anyone need some 15-1/2" wide doors?  

John
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#12
Those are great looking doors. I'd take them if I were closer. I don't have anything to use them for right now but they might inspire a project.
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#13
As Stav said, those are great looking doors.

The text sounds like there should be 4 doors. I am confused that the 2 doors on one side in the pic do not add up to the same height as the single door on the right. I am having trouble visualizing how the doors would pair up vertically.

Maybe I am just being dense.
Sigh Would you explain, please?
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(01-30-2025, 06:29 PM)iclark Wrote: As Stav said, those are great looking doors.

The text sounds like there should be 4 doors. I am confused that the 2 doors on one side in the pic do not add up to the same height as the single door on the right. I am having trouble visualizing how the doors would pair up vertically.

Maybe I am just being dense.
Sigh Would you explain, please?

There are only three of the four doors in the photo.  The two long doors are on the bottom, the two shorter ones on top, like this. 

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except we changed the reveal between the doors to this:

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John
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#15
Doubt it will help you, but made doors for a linen press that ended up about a 1/2 inch too narrow for the opening -  I glued on a 1/2  inch  piece on one of the doors, then put a bead down the middle of the add on piece -  they close fine and it looks like that was part of the original design.
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(01-30-2025, 05:06 PM)jteneyck Wrote: I built four doors for a lady's kitchen "pantry" cabinet.  I went there and measured, came home, drew it up on SketchUp and then made the doors.  White oak with Osmo Polyox finish.  The kerfs in the floating panels were done on my CNC.  

[Image: AP1GczOwtuwJNiBHGz978Kx0j6i7WMLNBOhpMVIw...authuser=1]

I did the install this afternoon.  I had made a story pole for all the vertical elements, so I used it to mark and drill for the faceframe hinges.  The doors clipped on perfectly.  I got the two doors on one side installed, then began on the other side.  I got the top door mounted and swung it closed to admire my work - to find a 3" gap between them!  What the ......  OK, no fix for this except to make new ones.  Not a good day.  

After I got home, I looked at my SketchUp drawing and see that I somehow used the actual inside dimension between the face frames as the outside dimension for my drawing.  That'll do it.  Next time, I will make a horizontal story pole, as I normally do.  

Anyone need some 15-1/2" wide doors?  

John

Great looking doors John.

I HATE it when I make a mistake like that, it sucks!
I am quite worried that with all the kitchen cabinets I am making, I will have something similar.
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#17
Sorry to hear of this John. It's happened to all of us, on one level or another - "this too shall pass." Hope you can find a use for those fine looking doors. Maybe another job down the line?

Good luck,

Doug
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#18
When my kids are being to rough on themselves for some perceived mistake over the years I have reminded them that every woodworker must have a fireplace or a fire pit.

I am not suggesting that you should burn the doors, as they are far too nice for that.

I am saying that if you haven’t had a similar mistake, you haven’t been woodworking long enough.

I vaguely recall some years ago Norm Abram’s mentioned that he used a story stick to measure for cabinets.  He mentioned that one of the reasons was differences in tape measures, but he also mentioned the risk of writing down a measurement wrong or misreading a written measurement as well.  Suggests that he has had similar mess ups, and often enough to change his workflow to reduce that error.
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#19
Thanks for the drawings showing the layout. Things make a lot more sense now.

I understand that you don't want to change the design for the customer.

If I had made them for my own use, I might consider adding a vertical divider strip (2 section - upper and lower) down the middle that was hinged to one of the doors. 3" wide could be a good opportunity for little cubby shelves to hold smaller pantry items.
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(01-31-2025, 05:42 AM)JDuke Wrote: When my kids are being to rough on themselves for some perceived mistake over the years I have reminded them that every woodworker must have a fireplace or a fire pit.

I am not suggesting that you should burn the doors, as they are far too nice for that.

I am saying that if you haven’t had a similar mistake, you haven’t been woodworking long enough.

I vaguely recall some years ago Norm Abram’s mentioned that he used a story stick to measure for cabinets.  He mentioned that one of the reasons was differences in tape measures, but he also mentioned the risk of writing down a measurement wrong or misreading a written measurement as well.  Suggests that he has had similar mess ups, and often enough to change his workflow to reduce that error.

Yes, I almost always make a story pole.  I did, in fact, for everything in the vertical plane, but for whatever reason did not for the horizontal.  I guess I thought it was so simple I didn't need to.  Never again. 

John
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